TOP 130.
Church plus State Oppression.
121) Christendom: the historical Orthodox concept of Christendom, closely linked with its almost twin heresy "Christian Empire" is one based in tyranny, bloodshed, and imprisonment and no real freedom, ( murder ) ( churchianity ) ( tyranny )
( authority ) ( people ) ( laity ) ( Empire )
122) Serfdom : the social / economic sins by a church that "cannot err"
( murder ) ( churchianity ) ( tyranny ) ( authority ) ( people ) ( laity ) ( Empire )
123) Churchianity - (derogatory) Any practices of Christianity that are viewed as placing a larger emphasis on the habits of church life, rites, rituals, and man made traditions, rather than on biblical theology and spiritual teachings and example of Jesus. ( churchianity )
124) Crypto-converts: their enforced pseudo "conversion" by threats. what kind of religion threatens people with prison, death or persecution if they do not pretend to convert? Huge numbers forced under their phony "saints equal to the apostles", Emperor Charlemagne etc
( murder ) ( churchianity ) ( tyranny )
( authority ) ( people ) ( laity ) ( Empire )
125) They are spiritual drunkards (Rev 17). INDOCTRINATION of children helps produce this. ( churchianity ) ( children ) Thus a low score on the "Corruption Perception Index".
126) Orthodoxy is an Anachronistic Faith (see 162): the sinister use of uniforms in the faith, and crowns and miters, is based on anachronistic comparisons with the old Roman Empire's clothing. Same with architecture and artifacts. They draw pseudo authority from an Empire that was from the start always evil. (conceptual)
( hypocrisy )
127) Ethno-Phyletism issues: this is a tricky issue as some churches where this "sin" goes on are in war torn areas where they wish to avoid people like shooters and suicide bombers and thus wish only to fellowship with people of the same ethnicity. (racism) ( murder )
128) Movable doctrines - "Lest thou shouldest ponder the path of life, her ways are moveable, that thou canst not know them." Proverbs 5:6. Orthodoxy give far less specific answers than Catholic scholars. If it became an embarrassment to them that their doctrine Jesus earned the resurrection for all means he died to burn people in Hell, I guarantee they would change it and say that they were misunderstood.
(conceptual) ( hypocrisy )
129) "All your sins will be forgiven if you go out on The Crusade" - I have yet to find out if the Orthodox Titular Head made the same promise in the Crusades in which the Byzantine half of the Empire participated. Remember that Orthodoxy makes the oxymoronic claim of being pacifist, which is more like in real terms the clergy don't fight, the "laity" must fight. If the Byzantine Orthodox were really pacifist and said so either the Catholics or Arabs would simply walk in and take over the Eastern part of the Empire unopposed. The Orthodox doctrine on this is an insult to the intelligence of their own church goers.
130) The persecution. imprisonment, murder, torture and banishment of real Christians. ( murder ) ( churchianity ) ( tyranny ) ( authority ) ( people ) ( laity ) ( Empire )
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TOP 140 .
131) Canonization in Orthodoxy is called "Glorification to sainthood" - the form of - but Romans 1 tells us all believers are saints. ( saints ) ( churchianity )
132)
133) Changing the meaning of the Greek expressions "believe on" and "believe in" - this means in Greek "to trust in" or "rely on" Jesus for salvation, obviously this is changed by Orthodoxy, just as the word grace is changed.
( salvation )
134) The Three hierarchs (three heretics actually). refers to
1) Basil the Great (also known as Basil of Caesarea), 329 - 379 AD,
sins: rules for monastic life (unbiblical), contributions to heretical canon law, and contribution to liturgies. (for centuries the Orthodox told the uneducated public he wrote the Liturgy of St. Basil now they try to retract that.
2) Gregory the Theologian (also known as Gregory of Nazianzus) . 330-389 AD,
sins: propagated the heretic Origen, Gregory seems to have been an early sacerdotalist (if so he was one of the most evil men who ever lived), his friend Gregory of Nyssa, may have supported some form of the doctrine of apocatastasis,
3) John Chrysostom. (researching) ( saints ) ( bogus saints )
135: Mortification: this topic has some biblical credibility, but not when it is used as a religious deception device, especially in the sense of it achieving purity or the forgiveness of sin, or connected with the hesychasm or monasticism.
( monks ) ( Catholic ) ( mystics )
136) Oversimplification of the character of God:
the Orthodox oversimplify God's character by saying that if God is love (a scripture) he cannot have wrath. It is a puerile oversimplification of God's character, (do we not also naturally and rightly feel angry about many of the worst crimes we hear of?)
They will even compare a God who has wrath with with demons like Baal and Moloch, in other words they say if God has wrath (he does) he is a sinner!!! Do not forget by saying these things they are talking also about the Holy Spirit.
This is involved in 2 other heresies
1) No wrath of God means no fires of Hell (loving them tortures them in Orthodox theology)
2) Jesus never saved us from the wrath of God when he died and rose again, as if he did he achieved salvation for us all on his own, a truth that destroys Orthodox pretensions about a process of salvation that is a synergy. ( God ) ( Hell )
137) Forgiveness of sin through Calvary denied - absurdly Orthodoxy argues that as Jesus forgave individual sin before the cross and resurrection. the gospel does not bring forgiveness to mankind (as if it did their junk priestcraft/works gospel falls apart). The fact that the gospel is not necessarily the only way God can forgive sin does not stop the fact that sin was and is washed away by his blood. One must remember the resurrection adds justification (to be made just in God's sight) as well as his crucifixion dealing with sin. ( salvation ) ( gospel)
138) Reconciliation
and the Hypostatic Union -
(notice they do not say salvation) In Orthodoxy reconciliation happens in the hypostatic union when Christ is conceived or some say born (the combination of divine and human natures in the single person of Christ.) when the perfection of God and "humankind in its totality" (that is human nature as a collective) are inseparably united in Jesus, (all that is Creator and all that is created) so God reconciles humanity to himself in the person of Christ.
The cross - in Orthodoxy is Christ entering into death to destroy the power of death, not to forgive sin (>>>) wow heresy. Jesus did not die to earn hell for those who would not be otherwise resurrected.
Eastern Church tends towards a therapeutic model of which sees sin as illness,
( salvation ) ( gospel)
139) Renunciation of Errors (in Chrismation ceremonies) - renounce in public the Reformation and the Protestant / Evangelical gospel as false. Laughably they then later on masquerade as Evangelicals as the simple Evangelical gospel is too powerful to oppose. ( salvation ) ( gospel)
140) Denial of "the works of the flesh". The Orthodox are very tricky about this issue. They deny the doctrine of Catholicism of "venial sin and mortal sin" but avoid the more directly biblical issue that certain sins are put in the special classification of "works of the flesh". ( sin ) ( LAW )
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141) A cherry-picking form of The Judaizing heresy - they cherry pick the old law now quote "done away" as if the old testament is there for them to pick and choose laws, and create a new syncretic faith (which is exactly what they have done). What is different about Orthodoxy is (unlike most Judaizing cults) the laws they cherry pick from Mosaic Law are blended with traditions that are entirely anti Mosaic Law (like leavended wine and bread in communion) and even aspects of antisemitism. They do not seem to understand old law was done away, was draconian ("that neither we nor our fathers could bear" - Peter) we do not pick, choose and reinvent bits to keep now, like "holy beards" or golden artefacts in the temple.
note: It is indeed a paradox that Eastern Orthodoxy is on the one hand strongly resists the Judaizing heresy of the so called "Hebrew Roots Movement" yet they have invented a syncretic religion that involves cherry picking old testament concepts and laws and mixing them with the new testament law. ( salvation ) (LAW)
142) They deny the character of the new covenant which is freedom - the new covenant is characterised by freedom in Christ, they adopt the most draconian concepts of the old Mosaic Covenant (described as done away) in order to bring believers in the new covenant era into religious bondage to clockwork religious concepts like keeping a plethora of feasts. In Christ we have freedom about days (Rom 16) and we have freedom in food (Col 2:21) what is more the imposed fast days and food regulations break another of Christs teachings - to keep your fasting a secret. ( salvation ) (LAW)
143) They deny the Millennium Kingdom - as far as my studies go so far, the Eastern Orthodox religion are amillennialist in their theology, probably because they cannot stand the thought Jesus will return, reign here, sweep away the fake sacerdotalist ministry, and rule with those who would not take the mark of the beast. In other words the Eastern Orthodox fake ministry will be swept away.
( Eschatology ) ( authority )
144) Candle lighting - are considered sacrifices to Mary and saints. Mentioned in Rev 18 as sins of the Whore of Babylon. More ritualism and churchianity practices instead of an ongoing relationship with God. They simply discovered people love to light candles, and used this human fascination to destroy human souls. Candles are often used in witchcraft. ( witchcraft ) ( prayer )
145) The liturgical year - the cycle of liturgical seasons, feast days, including celebrations of saints, to be observed in a display of foolish clockwork religiosity, having portions of Scripture to be read out like robots either in an annual cycle or in a cycle of several years. ( salvation ) ( liturgy ) ( forgery )
( spirituality)
146) Canon Law - an admixture of truth and heresy that to the Orthodox has more authority than the new testament. (LAW)
147) Cathedrals - God's Cathedral in Acts was to be in nature by a river. Building big church buildings is largely an insult to the poor. ( churchianity )
( religious hypnotism )
148) Leavened Bread & alcoholic wine in the eucharist - the evidence of scripture would suggest the wine and bread were both unleavened. ( the mass )
149) Nepsis linked with Catharsis: Parallels could likely be made between nepsis and Jewish devekut. showing yet another Talmudic type root of Orthodox whoredom with religions. Both nepsis and catharsis have elements of truth but were systematized in links with monastic religious pretentions. ( monks ) ( gurus ) (Catholic)
150) Forbidding to interpret and have doctrines on the Book of Revelation - a clear attempt to hide from the Orthodox the evidence that Orthodoxy is a daughter of the Mother of Harlots. note... when Orthodoxy itself does interpret Revelation they seem to make one heresy after another - the woman in Rev 12 is Mary instead of Israel, they are amillennial, they claim the presence of incense in heaven means it is a divine directive to intoxicate church goers with clouds of it. ( eschatology )
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TOP 160.
151) The Canons of the Council of Nicea, and Nicene Creed (325) (and other Creeds) contain much heresy, yet are treated as if on a par with scripture.
( authority ) (LAW)
152) The church tradition (and thus infallible) that Cremation destroys the soul.
that any should could be annihilated is heresy, but this also denies Hitler (if he was cremated) escapes eternal punishment. ( tradition ) ( salvation ) ( death cult )
( burials )
153) Orthodox Christian (or Christian) should or must be buried in consecrated ground - and that the definition of that is that it is consecrated by all their Babylonian rituals. ( tradition ) ( salvation ) ( death cult ) ( burials )
154) False man made burial rites of no importance - according to the Orthodox rites and service of burial (Nekrosimos). (anything about funerals is an emotive issue). ( tradition ) ( salvation ) ( death cult ) ( burials )
155) The (so called) Church may deny a burial on Orthodox land to those who have committed a sin such as blasphemy, suicide, denial of their faith etc. In other words refusing to bury a person if he became a real Christian (for instance). Pure heresy and manipulation. What is more - if they deny mortal sin or "works of the flesh" and all sin is the same, why forbid burial in this way? ( tradition ) ( salvation ) ( death cult ) ( burials )
156) The ovum of Mary must definitely have been used in Christ's conception - so far as I understand Orthodoxy insists that you must believe that the actual ovum of Mary was used in the conception of Christ ( the prophecy quoting thy "seed" does not necessarily mean "her ovum") and not that his conception was entirely miraculous but in her womb without the ovum used. I am not denying her ovum was used, but I do question forcing young believers to form a definite doctrine on this. To them it is an essential or more central issue as to them the hypostatic union heals corporate human nature. The belief that Mary's ovum must be used is of less controversy as they do not believe in original sin, (Catholics believe the conception of Mary herself was miraculous). ( Mary ) ( salvation )
157) Beards and the clergy - so what are they actually saying? Only the clergy should have beards, or all Orthodox men? And is the old covenant law on beards still here, including not trimming the edges? It might be interesting to find out how many bishops of Rome had beards before the 1054 split. It is part of Messianic Judaism to keep these beard laws when the new testament calls the old law done away (2 Cor 3), and an emphasis on how the Orthodox have never understood the covenants of God. ( gurus ) ( LAW ) ( inverse Babylonization )
158) Ordination gives Authority to teach - Holy Spirit as our personal guide and teacher (Protestant / Evangelical) versus ordination. ( authority ) ( LAW )
159) Mystification of doctrine: - bible says to be clear. ( mystery babylon ) ( LAW ) ( inverse Babylonization )
160) The "laity" - Jesus says "you are all brethren". This is the root of Scofield's interpretation of Nicolaitan heresy which contains Nico - lording / power over - laitan (laos) - the laity, The Orthodox often say this was a sex cult started by the Nicholas of the bible (more forgery of history by them). ( inverse Babylonization )
( early cults - Laodicean ) ( authority )
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TOP 170.
161) The 7 Sins of Rome (Rev 18:1-24):
1) "The fruits that thy soul lusted after" - world wide trade in artefacts, and dainty and goodly things.
2) pretentious religious music, in the case of Orthodoxy (a daughter of Rome) this takes the form of chanting not singing. Chanting heresy is supposed to fool you into thinking it is holy. etc.
3) craftsman - idols, church finery etc
4) millstone - the mass bread
5) candle burning rituals
6) bride and groom - marriage falsely termed a sacrament
7) thy sorceries - the witchcraft of her heresies and practices.
162) It is an oxymoronic religion - (perhaps more than any other sect claiming to be Christian)
163) No work on Sunday?? - Catholics say you should not work on Sunday, except for a few exceptions they make, like perhaps doctors on call, or workers in an electrical power-plant etc. The Orthodox are more cagey on this and I have yet to extract a definitive answer. The (erroneous) doctrine is in effect treating Sunday as a "new sabbath" but less draconian. The Christian sabbath is eternal (Hebrews 4) earned for believers by Christ.
164) The Anathemas - (eg of the synod Constantinople): the heresy of declaring people anathema over calendar issues, but themselves bringing on themselves the anathema of God promised in Galatians 1:6-9 by preaching their false gospel of works and sacerdotalism.
165) Religious Colonialism by land buying.
LAND GRABBING
The church is the second-largest landowner in Greece, after the state, with about 130,000 hectares.
166) Infallible traditions of the church in general - be honest with yourself..... if just one of the criticisms I make on this website about Orthodoxy and traditions is true, then their entire "infallible church traditions" idea drops to pieces. It is an "infallible heresy".
167) Churches being autocephalous and non autocephalous - (of an Eastern Christian Church) appointing its own head, not subject to the authority of an external patriarch or archbishop. The Orthodox Church in America (OCA) for instance is not recognized as an autocephalous church. In Evangelicalism there is ONE church, that is the body of Christ. A bishop is not an overseer anywhere in the new testament of one or several countries. The Apostles were church planters and had special authority from God and Orthodoxy does not claim they are apostles.
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Angel heresies: x3.
168) That angels are superior in nature and intelligence to man - wrong as we are the sons of God, they are not.
169) Unprovable Angelic order (tagmata):
170) In the Orthodox worship, every Monday is dedicated to the angels.
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TOP 180.
171) Hank Hanegraaff and the Fifty Fifty Cult:
he preaches a mongrel Faith and is not put in his place. because of the sin of respect of persons
Hank Hanegraaff's apostasy from the Protestant Faith into Eastern Orthodoxy is of significance more because he is highlighting a new wave of heresy in the Orthodox religion, that might be best called "the fifty fifty cult" were the Orthodox do not exercise the discipline that is supposed to characterize their church, and allow people like Hank to preach a shape shifting new potpourri religion that is neither Evangelical, nor Orthodox. So just remember - every time you hear him preaching he is living proof of a lack of discipline in the Orthodoxy Faith (proof they are not in the Spirit in itself), and that they allow their novice proselytes to preach what amounts to a new fifty fifty cult that is neither Protestantism nor Eastern Orthodoxy just contradictory nonsense.
172) Mysticism. quote: "The premise of all mysticism is that experiential knowledge of God takes preference over doctrinal understanding of the character and being of God because of the transcendent nature of God. One of the ways mysticism gained a foothold in Eastern Orthodoxy was by the emphasis of certain Orthodox “Church Fathers” upon the “way of negation” also known as “apophatic”1 theology."
173) The strange tradition of "Crowning" in their marriage ceremony was probably introduced into their religion to let them say "Are we not all crowned when we marry" in order to justify their absurdly proud practice of putting crowns on bishop's heads.
174) Female deacons, nuns, abbesses etc, justified partly by their false believe several females they see as saints were "equal to the apostles". Women were anointed by the Spirit at Pentecost. that does not however mean they are to be deacons.
175) Liturgy and restriction of languages - Liturgies and "services" prior to the 9th century were in Greek only, the Catholics claim Latin (perhaps a division in the Empire halves, or.... someone among them is lying) only later other specific languages were introduced. This is worth researching as if its true two distinct languages were used it almost inevitably was a sign a rift would occur by 1054.
176) Sycophancy to political figures, kings and queens.
This sin has pervaded their faith to saturation level, from the days of the mass murderer Emperor Constantine, to the fawning of modern day Russians toward President Vladimir Putin. It is deadly heresy, as it is not the fulfilment of Romans 13 in that it does not so much recognize figures like Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar etc can be used by God just as the Assyrian were in Isaiah 10, but rather exalts these political figures to the level of David, Samson, Gideon or Joshua, which they never are.
177) Evolutionism is taught by many (under pressure from the state) they are cowards in the face of secular persecution. They are not put in their place for this and repudiated and disciplined. Chi;dren are being indoctrinated with illogical pseudoscience.
178) Homosexuality is accepted by many as "biblical" (under pressure from the state ) some of their bishops are cowards in the face of secular persecution, and are not being reprimanded and put in their place.
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179)
180) Giving babies and children alcohol.
132) +
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TOP 70.
Contentious Issues:
61) They deny Christ died as a substitute sacrifice .
The Evangelical and Protestant gospel is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Luke 24:44-48, and is belief in Christ crucified, buried and resurrected for salvation, repentance always being present to distinguish the belief as genuine. not some "mouthed prayer" or vain acceptance of the gift of salvation in Christ. it at no time includes the concept of "a substitute sacrifice". As the issue is therefore neutral to salvation (that is a person can choose to have no doctrine on it and be in a condition of salvation) is not an Orthodox heresy or error therefore to chose not to accept it, but what is an error and a heresy is their outright statement that salvation is not a gift earned solely by Jesus, and their technique of always presenting that theme of the Protestant gospel as inexorably connected to the theme of a substitute sacrifice (which it is not). ( salvation )
Hebrews tells us that "the blood of bulls and of goats cannot take away sin". Thus all the temple sacrifices of the old testament in the temple, and the yearly sacrifice for sins, could not take sin away in themselves other than by the mercy of Christ. The sacrifice of Christ himself however can take away sins, and REPLACES (or SUBSTITUTES) the clearly symbolic sacrifices of the old covenant that centre in the forgiving power of the blood of Jesus.
62) They deny Jesus was a ransom sacrifice .
Once again the Orthodox say the concept of "a ransom sacrifice" is inextricably linked with the Protestant / Evangelical "Jesus Saves Gospel", when as we have seen "the simplicity of the gospel of Christ" in I Cor 15:1-4, Luke 24:44-48, makes not mention of it, thus a doctrine on it is not necessary for salvation. This is tactic is adopted by Orthodoxy in order to cause confusion over the two diametric beliefs about this, that is
1) The ransom was paid to God.
2) The ransom was paid to Satan (as symbolically represented in the book "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe"?)
And whether it is ever wise to add it to the gospel message at all. ( salvation )
note: The Orthodox falsely add both the "The substitute sacrifice" and "The ransom sacrifice" themes to the Protestant Gospel in order to cloud the central issue, that in Orthodoxy Jesus did not secure salvation for the believer in his death and resurrection, but it was only part of a synergy or "process of salvation". whereas in Protestantism he did secure our actual salvation, presented as "the gift of God" to the believer on belief.
63) They deny the imputation of the righteousness of Christ to the believer, and the concept of "The Lord our righteousness."
Again, this is not specifically mention in the "Jesus Saves Gospel". A new believer or "babe in Christ" does not have to specify a doctrine on this issue, to be in a present state of salvation through belief in (to "trust in" and "rely upon") Christ. Do I believe the only righteousness I have is that given me as a gift through Christ? And that his righteousness "exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees"? Yes. But I do not believe it is a specific doctrine to be believed or professed to be in a state of salvation, that is if you died then and there you would be saved by Christ because of his finished work on Calvary and his resurrection.
( salvation )
64) The descent into Hell of Christ, between his burial and resurrection (superfluous add on doctrine).
To keep the so called Catholic Faith and be saved, you must believe their view of the "descent into Hell." It seem to me they are actually adding this into their "process of salvation" but it needs more clarification about how many of them would say that. This difficult and convoluted subject is definitely (stress definitely) not to be added into the simplicity of the "Jesus Saves Gospel" though it occurs between the death and resurrection periods.
In the Protestant Faith there are references to this, but several entirely different interpretations about what "he descended into Hell" means. It includes sometimes the concept that Christ supposedly preached the gospel (before it was even completed) to those who died in the time of Noah, as if it was a "second chance for salvation".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell (salvation )
Notably on the topic it is believed by many Protestants Jesus did not preach in Hell to those who died at the time of Noah, but, rather, that Jesus anointed Noah to preach at the time the Ark was being prepared.
65) 40 Day "Churching" of a baby - a mother is forced (via tradition) into bringing her child to church on the 40th Day after birth, to force the baby into attending their bogus religious services. in a warping of now "done away" law such as Luke 2:22-40 . This is connected with the indoctrination process described in Revelation 17. ( indoctrination ) ( salvation )
66) Economy, Economia - discretionary deviation from the letter of the law in order to adhere to the spirit of the law. Only bishops have such discretion,
It is an exceptionally, staggeringly serious doctrinal issue as the concept is used for instance:
1) to justify remarriage against the criteria of Matthew 5:32.
2) It may be used on the occasion of a conversion to Orthodoxy, in order to grant recognition to a baptism previously administered in a so called heterodox or schismatic church.
3) It may also be used to grant recognition to an ordination administered in a Roman Catholic or Anglican church if the convert comes from either of those communions.
A priestly form of this is in fact the basis of many controversial priest's decisions.
( doctrine ) ( sin )
67) Symphonia heresy - what this means in real terms. is that the church sees it as practical to compromise with the state in order to survive. Two modern examples of this are that huge numbers of Orthodox bishops compromise with the state (and police force) on the issues of homosexuality and evolutionism, and the so called hierarchy of Orthodoxy, including the Titular Head, turn a blind eye to this. (note - Catholic theologians hypothesise that this is how Orthodoxy was defiled by adulterous second marriage doctrines and practices)
( doctrine ) ( sin )
68) Many modern Orthodox consider the Pope "a bishop". Sorry but if it was not such a serious issue that would be a joke. The Pope is entirely an heretic.
( people ) ( salvation - suddenly not only Orthodoxy saves )
69) Graded churches -
In real terms the Orthodox Church splits churches into about 10 kind, with various attitudes to where the word "church" should be replaced by cult or sect, when in reality they are entirely a cult in themselves.
1) Grade A quality - Patriarchal Church (eg Constantinople)
2) Grade B quality - Autocephalous Church (Gr. "appointing its own leader") (eg Mount Athos) a church whose head bishop does not report to any higher-ranking bishop.
3) Grade C quality - Autonomous Church (Gr. "self-rule"). (eg Finland) governed by its prelate, who is chosen by a superior jurisdiction, usually by a patriarchate.
It appears to me both types of churches often claim to be self governed, but as autocephalous churches appoint their own head, and autonomous do not, the true higher ranking church would be logically autocephalous, within the perimeters of their own unbiblical extraneous criteria?
4) Grade D quality - Eparchy Churches non self-governing (eg. Philippines)
5) Grade E quality - Unrecognized Churches (eg Orthodox Church in America)
6) Grade F quality - Schismatic churches - (eg. Roman Catholic - to some)
7) Grade G quality - Schismatic isolationist churches -
8) Grade H quality - Heretic churches - (eg Roman Catholic - to others)
9) Grade I quality - Heretic isolationist churches -
10) Grade J quality - Lunatic fringe Orthodox cults . ( church )
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Some of the sins shared between the Orthodox and the Catholics:
71) Heathen Calendars are part of the Faith (worse than Catholics on this):
( doctrine ) ( sin )
72)
73) A Personal relationship Mary and saints ......with skeletons (dead unresurrected "people") spiritism. ( idolatry ) ( sin ) ( spiritism )
74) They kept the bible from the people for over 1,000 years - even after the Reformation presses started rolling, the Orthodox like the Catholics never gave bibles to the people in order to indoctrinate them instead. ( bible )
75) Idolizing or worshipping of the Nicene Creed : The creed is not fit for purpose, as it does not contain a specific gospel by which we are saved (however a "process of salvation" involving works and priestcraft is not present either - whereas the elements of the Protestant gospel are mentioned). ( idolatry ) ( sin )
76) Icons, statues and other idols . ( idolatry ) ( sin )
77) Shrines ( a separate issue proving their connection to eastern religions - thus Eastern Orthodoxy in their name) . ( idolatry ) ( sin )
78) That heresy is to contradict their fake church and man made traditions, not the bible and new covenant law . ( church ) ( sin ) ( bible ) ( doctrine )
79) Holy Orders - the issue of sacraments. ( sacraments ) ( doctrine )
80) Call no man father . ( people ) ( idolatry ) ( sin
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Churchianity errors :
81)
82) Calendarization of lifestyle by a plethora of "days".
( church ) ( worship ) ( churchianity ) ( sin )
83) Uniforms, crowns, mitres . one answer I was given by an Orthodox believer is that you can buy these crowns second hand on Ebay, and that they are only moderately expensive, and sometimes amount to only "bling" golden artifacts and crowns, not always real gold, only sometimes. I am not sure how the Orthodoxy faithful would react if they knew "the holy artifacts" are in fact often a chintzy show of tacky cheap imitations. ( churchianity ) ( authority ) ( sin )
84) Ritual / rite ridden . ( idolatry ) ( salvation ) ( churchianity ) ( sin )
( sorcery ) . (separate issue to Traditions - but part of it)
85) Fasting before men : So much fasting they are borderline vegan for about half the year! This really does fit in with the commandment not to say "Touch not! Taste not!" . Fast Wednesday and Friday just about all year, so they can disobey Christs commandment to fast in secret. ( churchianity ) ( hypocrisy )
86) Extraneous baptismal requirements / doctrines : (must believe heresy, and an avalanche of more insignificant doctrines "what doth now prevent me?") eg harrowing of hell and deny filioque . ( doctrine ) ( salvation )
87) Godparent indoctrinators . The parents are assigned the duty of indoctrinating their children, but so called "godparents" (found nowhere in scripture) are people assigned the same sinful task. This perhaps also serves as a way to fish outsiders into Orthodoxy by using babies and children to inveigle them into learning Orthodox doctrine. ( indoctrination ) ( people ) ( salvation )
88) Baby exorcisms - it is jaw dropping that anyone baptized into Orthodoxy goes through a plethora of rites amounting to witchcraft ceremonies, including casting Satan out of babies and children. Adult exorcism - where they will even stand on top of people "crushing satan under their feet" like something out the middle ages.
( abuse ) ( salvation - part of baptism and chrismation ceremony )
89) False new identity . when triple baptized into Orthodoxy the person is given a new name, and is given a personal patron saint, so they can calendarize your life on a personal level. A name day is the day on which an Orthodox Christian celebrates the feast of his patron saint. ( indoctrination ) ( sin )
90) Holy water power - the Orthodox believe so called holy water has powers to spiritually clean people and places, and cast out demons. They even do it to their own churches before a person is baptized to increase the impression of their bogus priestly powers. ( ritualism ) ( churchianity ) ( sin - fakery ) ( sorcery )
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TOP 100.
(being reorganized into salvation errors area - a more important topic)
Prayer heresies x10.
91) Praying for the dead . ( sorcery ) ( spiritism ) ( salvation )
92) The dead can pray for you ! ( spiritism ) ( salvation )
93) Praying to the dead . ( sorcery ) ( spiritism ) ( salvation )
94) Vain repetitions in prayer . the primary example is The Jesus Prayer,
( prayer ) ( meditation )
95) The Cycle of Prayer . ( prayer ) ( churchianity )
96) Mary as Co-Mediator, Co-Redemptrix, hears/answers millions .
( idolatry ) ( salvation )
97) Prayer Books - automated, manmade, pseudo Christian, systematized tomes of wayward religion. ( churchianity ) ( prayer ) ( salvation )
98) Hesychasm - the equivalent of Buddhist meditation. interesting also the Buddhist idea of becoming "at one" has similarities to theosis. ( spiritism ) ( meditation )
( salvation )
99) The prayer rope - the Orthodox answer to the rosary. ( prayer ) ( salvation )
100) Aerial Toll House prayers - to help dead souls be delivered from demonic attack, in the 40 decision period as to whether you go to "Abraham's Bosom" or torment part of "Hades", these prayers are connected to the 8 Day and the 40 Day memorial services. ( spiritism ) ( prayer ) ( salvation )
**) Men praying with head covered? = long hair breaks this (priest and monks have long hair to imitate gurus and bring "eastern" peoples into the faith, but the new covenant law forbids long hair, calling it a "shame"
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More prayer heresies.
101) All saints day - (spiritism) The Eastern Orthodox Church and associated Eastern Catholic Churches and Byzantine Lutheran Churches celebrate it on the first Sunday after Pentecost. ( sorcery ) ( spiritism ) ( salvation )
( churchianity )
102) The Communion of Saints . ( sorcery ) ( spiritism ) ( salvation )
( churchianity )
103) The Repose of souls of the dead ? (Memorial.) ( sorcery ) ( spiritism )
( salvation ) ( churchianity )
104) Priests, Bishops and monks having long hair - this is also technically a prayer error (head covering issues), but is an example of a sin that is not "a work of the flesh" that is to which damnation is promised. Priest and monks have long hair to imitate gurus and bring "eastern" peoples into the faith, but the new covenant law forbids long hair on men, calling it a "shame". Having long hair is not a work of the flesh, but the church strategy to imitate gurus to spiritually seduce Eastern converts into their religion is. Their hair is tied back to stop them looking like the vain creatures they really are.
105) They are wizards/witches performing witchcraft. ( sorcery ) ( spiritism )
Top 3 witches in the world according to Orthodoxy? :
( sorcery ) ( spiritism ) ( salvation ) ( churchianity )
1) Number 1 Witch (top witch / wizard:) - Dimitrios Arhondonis
fake name - Bartholomew 1
title: Titular Head of Eastern Orthodoxy, Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and Archbishop of Constantinople . primus inter pares (first among equals) called Head of the Eastern Orthodox Church (or Head of the Church - as they claim to be the only church).
2) Number 2 Witch - Vladimir Mikhailovich Gundyayev
fake name - Kirill
title: Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, the Bishop of Moscow, primate of the Russian Orthodox Church.
3) Number 3 Witch - Jorge Mario Bergoglio
fake name: Pope Francis
title:- His Holiness, Francis, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the Vatican City State, Servant of the servants of God. called "Head of the Church" by Catholics.(pretender to being Head of the Church, according to Orthodoxy)
note: huge numbers of the Orthodox now see the Pope as a bishop, so he is one of the top witches / wizards because of the sheer numbers he lords it over and deceives.
106) Deliberately Clouding "The Weightier matters of the Law" - there is such a thing as "the law of the new covenant' (Gal 6:2) in opposition to the old (done away) Law of Moses. The new law has its centerpiece the "Two Commandments" and the old law had for its centerpiece the 10 Commandments. To hide their heresy the Pharisees of the Eastern Orthodox Church deliberately cloud the issue of what the weightier matters of the Law are, more minor issues like the position of the hand in the bogus sign of the cross, and The Filioque are relatively minor in comparison to adulterous remarriage, war (murder) and adding works to actual salvation as a root not a fruit. One should still teach "the least of these commandments" (Matthew 5:19) but they are not on the same level as "the fruit of the Spirit" (positive) or "the works of the flesh" (negative).
note: this heresy is inextricably linked to the heresy of denying the existence of "the works of the flesh" from more minor issues like eating black pudding, men with long hair, etc, but is distinctly a diverse heresy of subterfuge in itself.
( doctrine ) ( conceptual )
107) Spiritual Whoredom - calling the mass bread "God" and bowing to it is idolatry, idolatry with icons, shrines. Theosis etc. ( idolatry ) ( sacerdotalism)
108) Two gospels save. - Evangelicals do not say two gospels save, but the Orthodox do not have the courage to stick properly to their emphatic statement "salvation is found only in Orthodoxy" they then tell everyone they don't want to judge as to whether other people are saved or not. It is yet another oxymoron of theirs. The bible says there is only ONE salvation gospel, and anyone teaching another is anathema, under God's curse! The Orthodox synergy of salvation or process of salvation isn't it.
109) Council of Ephesus 430 Canon 6 decreed deposition from clerical office or excommunication for those who did not accept the Council's decrees.
110) Massive numbers of Traditions - ( forgery )
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various (authority issues).
111) Orthodoxy is the most oxymoronic faith in the world - I intend to complete a long list of dozens of their oxymoronic doctrines, including that they are pacifist killers, and believe in salvation by grace and works etc. ( doctrine )
112) Heresy of swearing oaths . ( doctrine ) ( sin )
113) Ruled over by Pharisees . ( people )
114) The Forgery of History - forgery includes liturgies, traditional stories of peoples lives, historians making things up, : ( forgery )
115) Incense thuribles - (giddy) ( churchianity ) ( sorcery ) ( sorcery item )
116) Fake miracles - holy fire is just one, myrrh dripping icons etc. Only a gullible person who passes of credulity for faith would believe in them.
( forgery / fakery / sorcery ) ( sin ) ( fraud )
117) Bogus hierarchy / pyramid system : - ( churchianity ) ( people )
118) Orthodox false prophets (as well as teachers) - ( people ) ( bible )
( Pentecostalism )
119) Ecumenicalism - (division over this) The moment millions of the Orthodox turned to being Ecumenical, the moment they accepted another "process of salvation saves". in other words they have two gospels, and if all the Popes were not "anathema" before that as they declared, their profession their church is infallible failed. ( salvation )
( people ) ( church )
120) Their version of the Talmud = the giant tomes of irrelevant dumb writings by a plethora of pillarists, hermits, bogus saints and the like, whose unimportant writings they exalt to being on a par with holy writ, including such as prayer books. ( bible ) ( forgery / fakery)
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Orthodox Church America .com
Refuting the heresies of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
36) Metousiosis - or "holy cannibalism"
A LIST OF 50 REASONS
WHY METOUSIOSIS (Orthodox Transubstantiation)
DOES NOT HAPPEN.
under construction:
"in apportioning the holy gifts during the Liturgy, the priest says "broken and divided is the Lamb of God, who is divided yet not disunited, ever eaten but never consumed, sanctifying those who partake thereof." "
They then say this is his body in heaven now (so the disciples "ate" his flesh and blood body?
Facebook comment by me:
On earth the body of Jesus was made of atoms. Here Catholics now admit that after the priest casts his magic spell over the bread and wine not one atom changes. Not one single electron. Nothing! But underneath the atoms God now places "Jesus substance" which is undefinable. This "substance" is not made of atoms, yet on Earth Jesus body was made of atoms. So.... that body is a different body. Right? As it has not atoms in it. It isn't really his body at all.
THE SECOND MIRACLE. - reverse transubstantiation.
- reverse metousiosis.
"The Filthiness of her fornication."
The mass is one of the major identifying things that links the Mother of Harlots to her daughters - the various Orthodox churches. A Protestant (and I believe correct) interpretation of "the filthiness of her fornication" is the fornication is calling bread and wine God (idolatry) and the filthiness is the concept of the being cannibals, and also digesting Jesus. The Roman Catholics have therefore at some point in history invented a doctrine that states "Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist". What this means is that when the bread hits your stomach acid and begins to be digested, at some point, perhaps 15 minutes, the bread begins to move along into the digestion process so that it will eventually (pardon my bluntness but it must be dealt with) be turned into faeces, and the Catholic get-around that this breaks the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" is to say that it is at this point that the "species no longer subsists". So a second so called miracle occurs, that might be termed by Protestants perhaps as "de-transubstantiation" or "reverse transubstantiation". So chewing up Jesus and having him swilling about inside your stomach with pepsin, and the remainders of your breakfast is not breaking the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" ??? Sorry - but it clearly is breaking the scripture.
The question is, does Orthodoxy have the same doctrine of reverse transubstantiation? Or do they claim their less specific word metousiosis does not require the same answer as they avoid the word "substance"? I feel pretty well 100% sure the Orthodox will never give a specific answer and will use the get-out the Pharisees used quote "we cannot tell".
TRANSUBSTANTIATION CHECKLIST:
1) What good does eating a human body do for you? physically.
2) How can you get the entire body of Jesus on a spoon? (Orthodoxy always feeds communion on a spoon - totally not in the bible)
3) Why does it still smell, taste and look like bread and wine?
4) How could the disciples eat Jesus if he stood in front of them?
5) How could the disciples eat Jesus Christ crucified before he was crucified?
6) How can they eat Jesus Christ resurrected before he was resurrected?
7) If we eat Christ's resurrected body, that is a special transfigured body with special attributes and powers. It is in effect an altered body than the disciples are supposed to have eaten.
8) Why is bowing the knee to (Roman Catholic) or prostrating yourself before (Orthodox) a piece of bread not idolatry?
9) Why isnt it blasphemy to call a piece of bread God? (it is called fornication to worship any thing or one except God).
10) If you chew up Jesus and digest him, why does that not break the prophecy "You shall not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption"? (Acts 2:27 & Acts 13:35 & Psalm 16:10) see 1 Corinthians 15:54 where it further says Jesus' resurrected body is incorruptible.
Facebook quote: Catholic answer on digestion of Jesus, that God calls filthiness in Rev 17: 4
"The Church teaches that Jesus remains as long as the species persist, which in the human body, is about 15 minutes or so."
In the Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1377, you will see: "The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist. Christ is present whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of the parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide Christ."
source that. You are basically saying that this "mystery substance = his body" underneath the atoms is there while it is still bread, but as it begins to turn into manure the Jesus substance hiding under the atoms conveniently vanishes.
So.... if Jesus is fried in stomach acid for 15 minutes he has not "seen corruption" yet but as the Hydrochloric acid and enzymes make headway on the atomic structure God removes the "Jesus substance" underneath the molecules.
"Jesus substance" Amazing that the body of Jesus never had any atoms in it.
11) The new testament says the crucifixion of Christ was a sacrifice ONCE for ALL.
12) Why isn't eating human flesh and blood cannibalism?
13) The cup the Whore of Babylon offers the world is obviously the mass.
14) Why isn't multiple Christs across the whole planet in mass and holy eucharists a multitude of false Christs (a prophecy Jesus said would happen).
15) (Catholics only) How can a man be empowered to create God in the flesh?
16) The Book of Acts forbids drinking blood.
17) Why does Jesus say the communion is specifically only a remembrance?
18) If you have "no life in you" unless you have physically eaten Jesus, does that mean no one can be saved without the mass or eucharist supplied through men? (the real meaning is you should have an all consuming love for God that transcends even the love of your family, without which the relationship of a true believer is not there.) .
19) In Orthodoxy, they drop onto a spoon together:
a) bread (his body, blood, soul and divinity) onto
b) wine mixed with water (his body, blood, soul and divinity), so why is that not two of Jesus? Same eating the crumbs
c) The priest take the elements separately, as if it is a higher form of taking it, as trusted not to spill crumbs, whereas the masses must be spoon fed it in a mixing of the two. It may be the so called laity kept dropping crumbs on the floor and standing on them, thus this tradition evolved (?).
20) Nowhere in the bible does it say to mix water and wine for communion (Orthodoxy).
21) In Orthodoxy the priest takes "the elements" separately, being careful every crumb has been eaten up, put on a napkin and take wine, so no separate droplets fall to the dust. That is simply a different communion than the laity in the same service.
22) The Jewish Passover (The Feast of Unleavened bread) did not use leaven, so the bread was unleavened and the wine was grape juice according to most Evangelical preachers. So how is the Holy Eucharist the same as Jesus gave if the bread and wine are different (in Orthodoxy - who use leavened bread and alcoholic wine?
23) It is as obvious to spiritual people that the eucharist or mass bread do not turn into flesh and blood, as it is that the Miracle of Holy Fire that occurs every year in Jerusalem is a complete and utter fake. It is as real sa saying "It is not raining, that is the angels crying."
24) Do you admit that if the bread and wine do stay the same, as Evangelical born again Christians say, then by saying the bread and wine are the "body, blood, soul and divinity" of Christ, it is an act of idolatry (spiritual fornication), especially if you bow to them or prostrate yourself before them? Answer.
25) If the Orthodox Church do not believe they eat the flesh and blood of Christ, what do they think they eat, and when did they repudiate the Pope and the Catholics as heretics for thinking and saying they do?
26) The Orthodox religion (that performs infant communion) puts water into the communion wine. This is not found in scripture. Giving children and babes neat wine is against natural parental instincts, thus in order to practice their bogus tradition of infant communion (as if part of their salvation) water may have been added to the wine for this cause, to help to dupe people into the practice.
27) In the Great Schism the Orthodox believers accused the Roman Catholics of "Judaising the communion" by using unleavened bread not leavened bread, but in so doing they pointed to the fact the first communion, a passover, did use unleavened bread.
28) The Roman Catholics and Orthodox believers DO NOT take the bible literally about the communion, if they did they would believe the wine is ONLY blood and the bread is ONLY his Body. If the Orthodox want to say they are different because they really do believe it is blood only, and body only, there seems to be few conflicts over it, as it would mean a VERY pronounced difference between transubstantiation and metousiosis. It is worded in Orthodoxy as if they believe the change is that simplistic, but if they stick to this it brings up a lot of questions Catholics would not necessarily have to answer. Like drinking blood is forbidden even in the new covenant in Acts.
29) "Do this in remembrance of me." How could they be remembering his death and resurrection when he had not died yet? the obvious answer the Orthodox might give is "it was an instruction for future eucharists"....... but then they stop and think < if I say that, the very first eucharist was just bread and wine, like Evangelicals say! > thus they decide to totally discount that possibility and instead prefer to believe they were remembering his death then, and were eating his crucified and resurrected body, with such fanciful excuses as "God dwells outside of time!" Yes but Jesus died inside of time, and it had not happened yet, and they were not remembering him then, or his resurrection, neither were they eating his resurrected body.
30) when the bread turns into the body of Jesus, is it his crucified body without resurrection, his resurrected body, or his ascended body?
31) When put in its simplest rendering it is "Eat and digest Jesus to "stay saved", this meal can only be provided via priests."
32) If they supposedly eat the resurrected Jesus, they a) "eat him alive", and, b) "digest him alive". a) is quite painful, b) even more so unless you say he dies in the process of eating,
33) If you chew the bread you have (say) 50 Jesus in your mouth at the same time, as each crumb is the "body, soul and divinity" of Jesus, and at very least 50 people in the communion queue eat 50 different Jesus.
34) EASTERN ORTHODOX COMMUNION SPREADS DISEASE
The Orthodox way of taking the eucharist is unhygienic. Plunging the same spoon into people's mouths over and over again can spread several viruses and diseases, including the common cold, mumps, herpes simplex (cold sores), strep throat, mononucleosis (kisser's disease), and possibly meningitis. It is even possible, though it seldom happens, to contract foot and mouth disease in this way. The same napkin is used over and over again too.
In what year was a spoon even first used?
35) do you bow the knee before the "changed" bread (Catholic) or prostrate yourself before it (Orthodoxy)
36) the vocabulary of Orthodoxy proves its man made ritualism, as names are given to almost each one, especially in the blasphemy room at the back of the so called church, where the "cannibalism" is supposed to be initiated.
37) Throughout Fox's Book of Martyrs we see countless tales of men and women burnt alive "for denying the real presence" in the eucharist. This is "the wine of the wrath of her fornication" Rev 16:3 & 14:8. They literally wanted to murder everyone who would not call a piece of bread God in the flesh, and similarly every drop of wine.
38) did Jesus keep the old testament law in full if he went against the old covenant law and used leavened bread and alcoholic wine in the Last Supper? Interesting point of discussion as Orthodoxy use both, and is their communion the same as Christs therefore??? Also this gives babies and children their first taste of alcohol.
39) If a strict vegetarian refuses to "eat flesh" he cannot be saved?
40) Jesus said he would not drink the wine..... but did he eat himself at the Last Supper?
41) COMMUNION.
John 6:53 It is a simile, like "the sheep and the goats" representing the necessity to have an all consuming love for God, that transcends that even of love for your family.
42) If Jesus is being eaten alive, why would he not feel pain?
43) Do the Orthodox eat his living flesh or his dead flesh and blood?
44) Prove a resurrected body even has any blood, 1 Cor 15 says you are a fool if you think you know what the resurrected body is like. What colour is the blood? Red? Like water? What is in it? How is it the same communion the disciples took BEFORE he was resurrected?
45) What is this supposed consecration in sequence?
quote
"And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body." Mark 14:22
Jesus said here "this is my body" sequentially after he gave it to them.
46) Even the Orthodox will admit that the bread and wine were just symbols before the so called "consecration". It was Jesus himself who blessed the bread and supposedly "turned it into" his flesh. The Orthodox variously try to explain away the dissimilarity by saying sometimes "Jesus possesses the priest" however do do what? Jesus possesses the priest to invoke the Holy Ghost? Was it the Holy Ghost or Jesus who first supposedly turned the bread into his human flesh (Catholics say the bread is his blood also).
This is also a double blasphemy if they say that, as first the Holy Ghost is "invoked" into supposedly supplying cannibalism, and second they say it was Jesus possessing the priest (I think we will so bust that heresy and the Orthodox will say it far less frequently and deny it as doctrine)
47) Some Orthodox try to argue a priest is "possessed by Jesus" as he "invokes the Holy Ghost", that could be seen by some as a fulfilment of the prophecy of false Christs at the end of the age?
48) Orthodoxy teaches - the Eucharist is a propitiatory sacrifice for confessed sins in addition to the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.
49) Rule 2 of the Council of Antioch penalizes those who “turn away” from the Communion with excommunication. Zonaras explains that the turning away should not be understood as outright defiance of the Sacrament, which leads to a full banishment and anathema, but rather reluctance to take part in the Eucharist due to false humility.
50)
THE SECOND MIRACLE. - reverse transubstantiation.
- reverse metousiosis.
"The Filthiness of her fornication."
The mass is one of the major identifying things that links the Mother of Harlots to her daughters - the various Orthodox churches. A Protestant (and I believe correct) interpretation of "the filthiness of her fornication" is the fornication is calling bread and wine God (idolatry) and the filthiness is the concept of the being cannibals, and also digesting Jesus. The Roman Catholics have therefore at some point in history invented a doctrine that states "Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist". What this means is that when the bread hits your stomach acid and begins to be digested, at some point, perhaps 15 minutes, the bread begins to move along into the digestion process so that it will eventually (pardon my bluntness but it must be dealt with) be turned into faeces, and the Catholic get-around that this breaks the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" is to say that it is at this point that the "species no longer subsists". So a second so called miracle occurs, that might be termed by Protestants perhaps as "de-transubstantiation" or "reverse transubstantiation". So chewing up Jesus and having him swilling about inside your stomach with pepsin, and the remainders of your breakfast is not breaking the scripture "Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption" ??? Sorry - but it clearly is breaking the scripture.
The question is, does Orthodoxy have the same doctrine of reverse transubstantiation? Or do they claim their less specific word metousiosis does not require the same answer as they avoid the word "substance"? I feel pretty well 100% sure the Orthodox will never give a specific answer and will use the get-out the Pharisees used quote "we cannot tell".
51) Scientific testing. A Liverpool preacher called Pastor David Braid GSM, who died this year (2019) on Good Friday, several years before his death, went into a Catholic church and received Catholic Communion (though he was Protestant) and took the bread to Liverpool University Science Lab so the bread could be analysed. The result of the analysis was that the bread was just a starchy material like bread of potato, it did not contain the trace elements of the human body etc. As this can be done the modern Roman Catholic response seems to be that every atom and molecules of the bread remains the same, but some mysterious concept of its substance changing occurs. I say "modern Catholic response" as before such analysis was invented Catholics would probably have given an answer saying the very physical molecules were altered in some way. If I am right about this, the Catholics would "at last" be resorting to more desperate measures of the Eastern Orthodox church to keep mystifying this instead of explaining it. What are they really saying here? That the atoms and molecules in the bread are physically the same VISUALLY but the actual individual atoms turn into atoms from Jesus body? But would that be flesh and blood in the same sense? I am speculating here as of course I as yet have heard no explanation from the Pope.
52) Doctrine that "only priests can touch the host" as only their hands are consecrated (and that is why they can bless) orthodox as well as catholic??? Therefore they say its wrong to put bread on a hand . St Augustine taught that anyone touching the "host" commits a great mortal sin unless a priest, and Thomas Aquinas said only priests can handle and distribute Holy Communion.
53) That the eucharist is "the most holy" of the sacraments (degrees of holiness) more holy than baptism.
54) The catholic answer that the disciples ate the crucified and resurrected body of Christ because they "transcended time and space" has an interesting follow up question:
as the body of Jesus is now in heaven, where it says there is no flesh and blood (1 Corinthians 15:50) "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". So his resurrected body is not as our present flesh and blood body, so what body exactly are Catholics / Orthodox claiming they are eating today? And are they categorically saying his body even has blood in it in Heaven, and his flesh is as it was when he was crucified?
55) Catholics now admit every physical atom and molecule in the mass wafer is identical after "transubstantiation" occurs. So define "substance" in the word.
56) Did Jesus eat himself (called "receive himself" ) in the Last Supper...... so he supposedly ate his crucified and resurrected body in his un-crucified and un-resurrected body, then 15 minutes later Jesus was removed from the bread in case Jesus digested himself (called reverse transubstantiation).
57) Could there be any difference in his glorified (ascended) resurrected body, and his original resurrected body (that could walk through walls). And if so..... what are Catholics and the Orthodox supposed to be eating now.
The Miracle of Lanciano:
The Catholics try to get around this by claiming a Basilian monk in the 8th century doubted the real presence and God turned a piece of bread into a "piece of Jesus" and this has been scientifically analysed on several occasions and it is a piece of a male human heart. So historically the say they have the DNA of Jesus and that would mean Jesus could be cloned using modern type science techniques. Why change it into a large piece of heart? That just undermines the subject actually, it is not the whole Christ. It is just yet another bogus Catholic relic and miracle to go along with their foreskin of Jesus, umbilical cord of Jesus that would only be believed by the credulous. see link:
Their answer is that it is part of the heart of Jesus pierced by the lance on the cross by the Roman centurion Longinus (Thus the city name Lancia - they claim) and the wine change into real blood, which thereupon coagulated and split into five globules.
The reliquary: the Fesh is enclosed in a round gold-plated silver lunette, between two crystals, in a monstrance of finely sculpted silver. The Blood is preserved in a chalice of crystal, and affixed to the base of the monstrance.
If the heart of Jesus is preserved on Earth now in Lanciano. doesn't he have a heart in heaven? The bible says you are a fool if you think you know what the resurrected body is like. So you say his resurrected body has red corpuscles in it in heaven and is in every way like our body? Who says heavenly bodies even have blood in them?
http://www.vcatholic.com/articles/eucharistic-miracle-lanciano-italy/
Catholics also quote
Teresa Neumann, the famed Catholic Stigmatic from Bavaria subsisted on no solid food but the Holy Eucharist from 1926 until her death in 1962 some 36 years later. The Catholics tell lies like this for years, and then when pressed, will probably say something like "solid food does not include soup". Credulity is not Faith.
and:
The liquifying blood of Saint Januarius .... as "proof" of the miracle of transubstantiation.